Der Pioneer SUSANO SC-LX90 Thread! Das kommende Verstärkerhighlight!

[celle]

Damit wir den Bilderthread nicht zumüllen bitte Diskussionen zum neuen Vollverstärker hier hinein!

Bilderlink:

http://www.hdtv-space-forum.de/avreceiver/ifabilder_weltpremiere_pioneer_vsxlx90-t1006.0.html

[duke]

Was denkt ihr, ist der zu vergleichen mit einem Rotel 1098? Weil ich hätte da ein gutes Angebot für den Rotel...

Ich weiss, eine schwierige Frage, zumal ihn sicher noch niemand gehört hat...

[celle]

Nun endgültig offiziell:

http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/08/pioneer-unveils-new-elite-sc-09tx-receiver/

Erwartete UVP liegt letztendlich auch bei 7000$!

Wo bleibt der passende Zuspieler? 

[Dreamcatcher]

Nun entgültig offiziell:

http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/08/pioneer-unveils-new-elite-sc-09tx-receiver/

Erwartete UVP liegt letztendlich auch bei 7000$!

Wo bleibt der passende Zuspieler? 

Wahnsinn. Aber feines Gerät. Der gefällt mir. Auch das schöne LCD.

[celle]

Hier mal ein Video von der CES 08:

http://uk.cinenow.com/videos/1277-pioneer-susano-sc-09tx-7x140-watts-ice-power-receiver-2008

[celle]

Hier gibt es das engl. Handbuch zum Download!

http://www.pioneerelectronics.ca/POCEN/Unassigned+Content/ci.SC-09TX+English+Manual.Protected

Italienischer Vorab-Test mit schicken Fotos:

http://www.avmagazine.it/articoli/diffusori/166/pioneer-susano-sc-lx90_index.html

Video-Elektronik als auch die Audio-Elektronik scheint vom Feinsten zu sein!

Übersetzung ab hier:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=13433511&postcount=341

SS, thanks. I was going nuts trying to get a translation on my blackberry to no avail. Here's the translation from Google.

During the golden age of high fidelity on horseback 80s, Pioneer was one of the builders of the most interesting world, especially appreciated for the high quality and refinement of audio amplifiers. In recent years, a door accomplice in the technology market video playback, Pioneer had seemed slightly in the second floor audio although in reality the search had not ever stop, but it was even enlarged the field of acoustic speakers .

In the last year the Japanese manufacturer has given a clear accelerated development of the catalogue mid-range and high more purely audio. Pioneer is currently preparing a return great pomp in High-End which will be completed through the speakers and amplifiers TAD brand, which had already admired the last edition of the ESC and that will be presented to Italian market are likely by next summer.

A first taste of collected Pioneer is the new integrated multi-LX90 SC, presented last October at the CEATEC and as expected availability in Italy by the summer. The new top range has been renamed "Susano" provides 10 channels of 140W amplified by each, is equipped with 6 inputs HDMI 1.3a, two HDMI outputs (all type 1.3a), and is able to decode even the most Recent systems multichannel high-quality Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD Master Audio.

The amp is basically a two frames in a "with sections amplification, and pre completely separate. In this area there is a separate pre both for the management of analog signal, both for digital circuits. The amplification modules are class "D" high efficiency (Ice Power, a product developed by Bang & Olufsen) with versatility nothing short of excellent, especially on how to use various channels amplified: there is also the possibility of food systems to 5.2 channels bi-amplification with two 140W channels for each of the two paths of speaker.

Pending the availability of new top range, Pioneer Italy sent us a pre-production test for a small preview that has been possible thanks to my friend and colleague, Nicola D'Agostino and indirectly has put at a receive the product in trial and that in the absence of a manual in a language understandable (for the moment is only available in Japanese), we have provided information of extraordinary accuracy and usefulness to deepen the constructive and functional aspects.

The versatility of Pioneer Susano is simply extraordinary, with a number of inputs and outputs, analog and digital audio, video and data that will be very difficult to use completely. Compared with other products of similar category missing link WiFi is available but is a LAN 10/100 that a USB port. Places of the presence of DSP video more interesting time (Marvell Qdeo), presegestione other two secondary zones (zone 2 and zone 3) of which one with S / PDIF or amplified pre 7.1 input channels, output pre 10.2 channels (Central and double double woofer), 4 well trigger a 12V and a RS232 port.

FEATURES DECLARED
Pioneer mch pre producer in / out 7.1/9.2 (RCA pin)
Model SC-LX90 pre stereo in / out 6 (1 MM, REC2) / 2
€ 7.000,00 list TOSlink in / out 7 / 2
Stereo power 400W x 2 S / PDIF in / out 4 (1 RF) / 1
Multi power 200W x 7 (140W x10) component in / out 3 / 2 (zone 2)
S / N 105 dB S-video in / out 3 / 2 (rec 2)
Self si (Advanced MCACC) CVBS in / out 4 / 2
Audio Dolby DD Plus / 2 TrueHD area pre / amp 2 (1 S / PDIF + 2 PRE) / 1
Audio DTS HD HR / HD MA trigger/RS232 4 / 1
Upscaling video (Marvell Qdeo) 440x247x479 mm size
Tuner no weight 35.5 kg
HDMI in / out 6 / 2 (1.3a) 550W consumption (0.5 W)
Notes and additional information
THX Ultra 2 Plus 2 iLink ports, 1 USB front, rear iPod 1, 1 LAN 10/100 DLNA
Distributed by: Pioneer Italy, Via Lepetit, 8, 20020 Lainate - tel. +39 02 93 911
For more information: http://pioneer.jp/components/avamp/lx90/index.html
Customer Service: @ servizio.clienti pioneer.it - www.pioneer.it / support / contact.html

The "small" has come to the office within a parallelepiped solid rigid cardboard and white. Inside the box there is only just enough space to accommodate the power cord, the microphone to manage the system self Advanced MCACC and the complex IR remote control type "intelligent". No trace of the manual.

Once placed on the table, Susano appears even greater how I had imagined, mainly because of considerable height, equivalent to almost 25 centimetres. The finish earlier in black lacquered is very elegant although it is a powerful detector of fingerprints and dust.


The LCD display in a central position is clear and very useful but with a few glitches
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The front is dominated by LCD display from 5 "which allows a smooth government of all the amplifier integrated functions, as well as the vision of media content through removable memory. The only known tune is represented by some typical artifacts the connection composite video and overall quality of the panel used. Although it is not key issues, we hope that the final model there is something better.

The rear panel helps us to highlight even more in the subdivision plans and areas of the interior of the product. On the lower floor are 10 connectors for the amplified signal while higher, from left to right, are hosted digital interfaces (TOSlink, S / PDIF and LAN). Taking multipolar for Apple iPod prelude to the preamp outputs to 10.2 channels (including Central and double double sub) and the pre inputs to 7.1 channels. More are on the right analog inputs and outputs and in the left HDMI connectors and iLink.

On the front panel, protected by a folding door, there is an additional audio input (composite / S-video with audio also type TOSlink), the only USB port for removable memory media, a useful headphone output and taking minijack microphone system Advanced MCACC. Through buttons available you can easily control the entire system, even without remote control.

The connectors for power cables I did not screw up in size and strength. They accept even forks and skinned cable with a thickness of 10 mm and are arranged in such a way as to avoid having penare with polpastrelli to tighten the socket adequately.

Looking closely at the first image without the rear panel, with the help of exploded and drawings that gave us the manufacturer and with a good mind connections on the back panel, it is very easy to appreciate the provision of internal components which are housed in rooms completely separate audio circuits and digital video, audio analog circuits, analog video circuits, power separate analog and digital section and section final occupies the "ground floor".

Removing the top panel is simple and immediate but we have limited this: some of the screws essential for dismantling am with the step inches and some were unambiguous signs left by those who tried to remove with brugole nostrane. If we add to this the promise made to Pioneer not damage the product, understand why we avoided unnecessary spills ... Screws.


From left: HDMI card, the main processor, with the final section modules ICE Power
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The images that we have to take, combined with those that are available on the website of the Japanese manufacturer, underline a construction characterized by quality, strength and order. In particular, remains enchanted front of the amplifier section with 10 modules ICE Power, credited to a total capacity of 1400 on 8 ohms and occupying one-tenth the space for a more traditional equal power.

Regarding key components, Pioneer chose the best available on the market for both the processing and conversion audio but also for video, starting with the prestigious DSP technology with Marvell Qdeo that keeps all promises, and that is already used profitably in the player hybrid LG BH200.


Block diagram of the new DSP video Marvell 88DE2710 technology Qdeo
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Amongst the most exclusive, we recall the possibility of two parallel processing, resolution and frame rate different. The video feeds 1920x1080p in high definition can be delivered with a depth of 10-bit color without compression (4:4:4) or up to 12 bits per color component, with compression component 4:2:2.


DAC Wolfson WM8741 with relative block diagram
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The other precious novelty is used in the conversion from digital audio analog. For this delicate operation has been used in the new converter Wolfson WM8741: a stereo converter credited an SN ratio that was about 125 dB (stereo configuration, freq. KHz 48), full compatibility for the DSD stream of Super Audio CD and control volume virtually analog, in steps of 0125 dB.

Without the user's guide and help only through the excellent menu OSD language English, I was able to make all necessary configuration in a very short time. The complete integrated LCD display is very useful in setting options are very broad and not limited to automated equipment but allow the correct answer is that breadth also being manually.


Some images menu setup produced by the integrated LCD display
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Although the LCD and the menu structure is very effective, the lack of user manual is felt with the conviction that he even explored the possibility of 20% of the product. Among the analyses that try to lead when we have the final product, that there is verification of the compatibility of video files into high-definition compatible with the system.


Some of the configurations of systems reproduction possible
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Here I entered the top three of the most likely configurations to exploit the largest possible number of channels. In particular, the configuration classic 5 more sub amplified channels, which uses a pair of two-channel amplifier for each speaker, is the easiest to implement. More interesting to see the possibility of using the three front channels in two-and four-channel sound surround driven individually. Equally useful to have the same quality audio for zone 2.

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Faced with such exclusive features, with the short time available and in the absence of a manual in Western language, I was "equipped" with no little discomfort, especially due to a lack of a useful number of speakers acoustic adjusted as needed. Before everything I provide an easy listening in stereo, using as a source glorious player Pioneer DV-717 connecting both analog and digital (TOSlink) and the first combining a pair CDM7 B & W and then two Klipsch RF35. For your reference I have used both an integrated Denon AVC-A11XV that valvular Yarland M34.

Through B & W CDM7, without any preparation, I had no particular surprises. I appreciated power available which is far greater than the need for a diffuser with the sensitivity of the CDM, while the frequency extension and control Banda on the extreme aspects are really appreciable. Some limit is detectable only on the depth and width of the extension scene sound, especially compared to Denon AVC-A11XV. Anyway it is areas needing further study with a greater number of hours available.

What follows connection with the two towers Klipsch is really exciting, especially for the large amount of decibels produced without appreciable distortion and a dynamic-VA-DE-TE STAN! In the Klipsch stereo proved to be very useful to emphasize the limits on the three-dimensional reconstruction of the scenic but also revealed a slight "bitterness" of the medium-high that was definitely diminished after a slight Equalization reported that the reason most of the spectrum sound.

For listening, I used a multi-player Sony BDP-S300 PCM via HDMI and Samsung BDM-P1400, the latter to deliver new HD audio stream directly through the HDMI connection. The disk test Dolby "The Sound of High Definition" has allowed us to test the configuration to 7.1 channels, with the track "Clouds" in a splendid Dolby TrueHD 24/96 played through a fairly diverse mix of Klipsch speakers. The same front speakers were fed in Bi-Amping configuration in order to fully exploit the 10 amplifiers icepower, although I have not found appreciable differences compared to more traditional configuration.

The list price has not yet been defined but should be about 7,000 euros including VAT, the comparison of the price of Japanese Yen 880,000 including taxes, it seems somewhat 'high, although fully aligned to the quality of construction, performance and performance 's outstanding operational possibilities. If you look at alternatives with similar characteristics, the price becomes even competitive.

By comparison, the POA-coupled Denon A1HD and POA-A1HD mentioned in a total weight of 87.5 kg, a total volume exceeding 110 litres and absorption of almost 1,500 watts. By comparison the Susano offers power and versatility not far less than half the price and volume, a third of the weight and especially close to a third of absorption power (550W Pioneer against 1450W Denon).

At this point there is that the wait for next June to conduct a more thorough test on a final model. A test that is proclaimed as complex and interesting, with the hope that by then a manual is available in a language more understandable.

For more information:

Www.pioneer.jp
Www.pioneer.it
Www.marvell.com
Www.wolfsonmicro.com
Www.icepower.bang-olufsen.com

News:

Pioneer SC-LX90 to end December
CEATEC: Pioneer SC-LX90

[duke]

Hat evtl. schon jemand einen Vergleich ziehen können mit dem Boliden von Denon? Den eingebauten Komponenten?

[celle]

Wenn ich das Geld hätte, würde ich trotz schwarzer Optik den Pioneer vorziehen. Allein der eindrucksvolleren und moderneren Optik wegen. Zudem mag ich ohnehin digitale High-End-Verstärker...

Klanglich sollte der Pioneer den Denon ohnehin toppen können (wobei man da auf einem Niveau ist, wo es wirklich keinen schlechten Klang mehr gibt). Bildlich ist halt die Frage wie gut der QDEO gegebüber dem REALTA arbeitet. Da Terranex ja wohl noch keine zu 100% angepasste 1080p-Variante des Reon/Realta hat (ist laut Denon-Mitarbeiter noch in Arbeit) könnte der QDEO wohl auch da Vorteile haben, da er wohl auch für Blu-ray- und nicht nur für SD-Signale wie DVD optimiert zu sein scheint. Da Pioneer ein großer Verfechter von nativen 1080p24 ist, werden die ja wohl keinen Scalerchip vertrauen der das native 1080p24-Signal zur Bearbeitung in ein 1080i-Signal wandelt und dann wieder zurück in 1080p!

[duke]

Besten Dank für deine Recherchen...

Kann man denn überhaupt den internen Scaler vergleichen von den beiden, mit den externen. Oder ist sowas nicht vergleichbar und somit, sicher ein externer zu empfehlen. Ich denke da eher an die günstigeren Modelle der Scaler...

[celle]

Naja es gibt ja externe Video-Prozessoren ab 3000 EUR aufwärts. Denke mal, dass das schon noch eine andere Klasse ist, aber ob die Mehrleistung noch im sinnvollen Preis-/Leistungsverhältnis steht, ist eine andere Frage. Bei Blu-ray und FHD ohnehin eher unnötig.

Bei einem 7000 EUR-Verstärker sollte die Videoelektronik aber auch nicht so schlecht sein, dass man damit nicht leben könnte

Mit 6 HDMI-Ein- und 2 HDMI-Ausgängen hat man auf jeden Fall viel Anschlusspotential!

Schade ist, dass Pioneer den Amp nicht auch in silberner Aluausführung anbietet 

[celle]

Bei Import von hier, kann man einiges sparen:

http://www.pricejapan.com/front/e_good_info.php?code=537&category=17

[duke]

Bei Import von hier, kann man einiges sparen:

http://www.pricejapan.com/front/e_good_info.php?code=537&category=17

Schon eine Schei..., dass der nicht in Silber zu haben ist... :'( Wenigstens ist es nich Klavierlack. Ist ja extrem heikel...

Kann man den ohne Probleme von dieser Seite importieren? Hast du da Erfahrungen? Wäre eine Ueberlegung wert... Was für Kosten kommen da wohl noch dazu...?

[celle]

Nun auch endlich bei den Amis gelistet:

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/AV-Receivers/EliteReceivers/SC-09TX

Handbuch:

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/SC-09TX+OPERATING+INSTRUCTIONS

Hast du da Erfahrungen? Wäre eine Ueberlegung wert... Was für Kosten kommen da wohl noch dazu...?

Habe leider keine Erfahrung beim Import. Mich würde ja ein VW60/VW40-Import interessieren...
Neben Mehrwertssteuer und Versand kommt wohl noch der Zoll (glaube 14% vom Wert) dazu.

Die Daten sind erstklassig (gar mit iLink) und kein Klavierlack sondern edles Alu/Urushi-Design wie bei den ganz alten Pioneer-ELITE-Geräten!!!

Amplifier Design     Direct Energy HD
Surround Power    200W x 7 (20Hz - 20kHz, .05% THD @ 8 ohms, All Channels Driven)
Stereo Power    200W x 2 (20Hz - 20kHz, .05% THD @ 8ohms, All Channels Driven)
Symmetrical Power Train Design    Yes
Audio Processing
Digital Engine    Dual SHARC EX + Freescale DSP Engines
Air Studios TMTuning    Yes
Room Calibration    Advanced MCACC 9 Band EQ
Phase Control    Full-Band
Standing Wave Control    Yes
Sound Retriever    Yes
Front Stage Surround    Advanced
Advanced Surround Modes    (13+1) Modes
LPCM    Multi-Channel
Dolby True HD    Yes
Dolby Digital Plus    Yes
DTS-HD Master Audio    Yes
DTS-HD High Resolution Audio    Yes
DTS Express    Yes
Dolby(R) Digital EX    Yes
DTS-ES    Yes
Dolby(R) Digital 5.1    Yes
DTS 96/24    Yes
DTS(R) 5.1    Yes
DTS NEO: 6    Yes
Dolby Pro-Logic IIx    Yes
iPod Music    Yes
Neural-THX Surround Decoder    Yes
Neural Surround for XM-HD    Yes
WMA-9 Pro Decoder    Yes
HDMI SACD Transfer    Yes
HDMI DVD-Audio Transfer    Yes
X-Curve Compensation    Yes
Digital Noise Reduction    Yes
Virtual Surround Back    Yes
Headphone Surround    Yes
Dialog Enhancement    Yes
Midnight Listening    Yes
Loudness    Yes
Auto Signal Select    Yes
Stream Direct    Yes
Analog to Digital Conversion    192 kHz/24 bit
Digital Analog Conversion (DAC)    Wolfson 192 kHz/24 bit DAC
Video Processing
Digital Video Converter - HDMI    Yes
Pioneer Video Conversion - Component    Yes
Video Parameter Adjustment    Yes
HDMI 1080P Video Transfer    Yes
Video Up-Scaling    Marvell 1080p / 60Hz
iPod Photo and Video    Yes
Convenience
On-Screen Display    Yes
FL Dimmer    Yes
Function Rename    Yes
Remote    LCD Glow - Key Learning
Multi-Zone    3 Zone
Sleep Timer    Yes
Multi Operation    Yes
Advanced MCACC Graphic PC Output    Yes
Amplifier Assign    Yes
Connectivity
HDMITM Inputs    6
HDMI Output    2
Component Video Input    5
Component Video Outputs    2
S-Video Input    4
S-Video Outputs    2
Composite Video Input    8
Composite Video Output    2
i-LinkTM    Yes
iPOD Interface    USB
USB Memory Input    Yes
Ethernet Input    Yes
XM (R)Ready    Yes
Sirius Satellite Ready    Yes
Analog Audio Inputs    5
Analog Audio Outputs    1
Phono Input    Yes
Digital Inputs    11
Optical In    7
Coaxial In    4
Optical Digital Outputs    3
Multi-Channel Input    Yes 7.1
Audio Pre-Output    10.2
Headphone Output    Yes
Multi-Room and Source Output    3 Zones
12 Volt Trigger (Device Assignable)    4
Front A/V Inputs    Yes
RS-232C    Yes
AC Outlet    Yes
System Remote Plus (SR+) Port    Yes
IR In/Out    Yes
Construction
Front Panel    Aluminum / Urushi
Transformer Stabilizer    Yes
3-D Space Frame Design    Yes

[duke]

http://www.homecinemas.at/start.php?file=produktdetails.php&gruppe=Soundsysteme&marke=Pioneer&modell=SC-LX90

[Dreamcatcher]

http://www.homecinemas.at/start.php?file=produktdetails.php&gruppe=Soundsysteme&marke=Pioneer&modell=SC-LX90

Schlechte Photoshop-Grafik... 

[celle]

Endlich auf der dt. Seite!

www.pioneer.de/de/products/42/98/405/SC-LX90/index.html

[Dreamcatcher]

Endlich auf der dt. Seite!

www.pioneer.de/de/products/42/98/405/SC-LX90/index.html

Ab Juli dann beim Fachhändler erhältlich. Bestimmt 2000 EUR, oder? 

[celle]

7000 EUR....

[Dreamcatcher]

7000 EUR....

Na ja, High End

[itsapio]

Flaggschiff Pioneer SUSANO SC-LX90 HD-AV-Receiver

http://www.marcush.de/2008/06/10/flaggschiff-pioneer-susano-sc-lx90-hd-av-receiver/

"Man, ist der Dickmann"  ...und der Preis erst !!!

[hollywood100]

Flaggschiff Pioneer SUSANO SC-LX90 HD-AV-Receiver

http://www.marcush.de/2008/06/10/flaggschiff-pioneer-susano-sc-lx90-hd-av-receiver/

"Man, ist der Dickmann"  ...und der Preis erst !!!

Ich würde Ihn Die ja empfehlen,aber er hat kein USB
Aber schon ein richtiger Kracher
mfg

[Dreamcatcher]

Ich würde Ihn Die ja empfehlen,aber er hat kein USB
Aber schon ein richtiger Kracher
mfg

Der hat doch eine USB Host function und vorne hinter der Klappe einen USB-Anschluss... 

[hollywood100]

Der hat doch eine USB Host function und vorne hinter der Klappe einen USB-Anschluss... 

Ups!!!!!! na dann ist er ja perfekt

[itsapio]

Ups!!!!!! na dann ist er ja perfekt

@hollywood100

Das wäre doch was für dich....Nach dem Denon A1HD....jetzt der große Pio 

[Dreamcatcher]

Hier zum Träumen das Handbuch des Pioneer SC-LX90 in Deutsch:
http://www.service.pioneer-eur.com/peeservice/RegistrInstrMan.nsf/(CountDownloadinInstructionManuals3)?openagent&ID=65362AD86108A187C125745C004A6443&Attachment=ARC7776_SC-LX90.pdf


und das Manual in English:
http://www.service.pioneer-eur.com/peeservice/RegistrInstrMan.nsf/(CountDownloadinInstructionManuals3)?openagent&ID=65362AD86108A187C125745C004A6443&Attachment=ARC7776_SC-LX90.pdf


Chris, mit dem SR+-Modus kannste deinen Pioneer KURO ansteuern. 

Aus dem Handbuch zur Home Media Gallery

Mit Home Media Gallery können Sie digitale Inhalte wie
Filme, Musik und Fotodateien wiedergeben. Bei den
abspielbaren Inhalten handelt es sich um Dateien, die
auf einem oder mehreren durch ein Heimnetzwerk (LAN)
verbundenen Medienservern oder einem USB-Flash-
Laufwerk gespeichert sind. Nachdem Sie über einen
Breitbandrouter oder einen Ethernet-Hub eine
Verbindung mit einem Medienserver hergestellt haben,
auf dem Netzwerksoftware* installiert ist, können Sie
durch die digitalen Inhalte in der Home Media Gallery
navigieren. Für USB-Schnittstellen unterstützt dieser
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Abspielfähige Dateiformate:
                                                         
Film:  MPEG PS (mpg, mpeg, mpe, m2p), MPEG-2 TS, WMV (asf, wmv), MPEG4 (mp4)
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Foto  JPEG (jpg, jpeg), BMP (bmp), PNG (png), TIFF (tif, tiff), GIF (gif)

Lesbare USB-Geräte:
Dieses System unterstützt die Dateisysteme FAT16, FAT32 und NTFS.

Mit der USB-Host-Funktion bin ich mir jetzt nicht mehr so sicher.